This morning on "Starting Point," Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC) addresses criticism against U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice and her handling of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi in September. He says he's frustrated by the criticism and implies there may be a racial component behind the attacks when terms like 'incompetent.'
“These are code words," Rep. Clyburn tells Soledad O'Brien. "We heard them during the campaign. During this recent campaign, we heard Sununu calling our President ‘lazy,’ ‘incompetent.’ These kinds of terms that those of us – especially those of us who were born and raised in the South – we’ve been hearing these little words and phrases all of our lives and we get insulted by them. Susan Rice is as competent as anybody that you will find."
"I don’t like those words. Say that she was wrong for doing it, but don’t call her incompetent. That is something totally different. A lot of very competent people sometimes make errors, and to say that she erroneously did it, I don’t have a problem with it. But to call her incompetent, a Ph.D. Rhodes Scholar, being called incompetent by someone who can’t hold a candle to her intellectually," he says.
"By someone who said, and Senator McCain called her incompetent as well. But he told us that Sarah Palin was a very competent person to be Vice President of the United States. That ought to tell you a little bit about his judgment,” Clyburn adds.
When can we be critical of a black person that we feel was not representing the situation as it might have been? The job of Secretary of State requires an independent mind seeing the whole picture. It was painfully obvious that the stituation was not what she was reporting. And it took her several weeks to respond to the fact that she was completely wrong in her assessment. We don't need a puppet of the president as Secretary of State. Look at Mrs. Clinton. I wouldn't call her a puppet, would you?
Funny...the comments validating the race card also leave out the other topic of the clip, namely that the sexism also played a role (according to the Ohio congress woman shown in the video). Simply amazing. The reality is that people latch on to whatever moves there agenda forward, so for the guys playing the race game, you're no better.
Again study you're history. The "right wing" nuts jobs of 2000 – 2008 had two black secretary of states (one of them a woman) and several other women in the cabinet. Also realize that the second black supreme court justice and the first woman justice were appointed by the right wing nuts jobs. In fact, the Dems played the sexist card to try an keep Clarence Thomas ( a black man) off the courts It will be nice when people realize that it's all just politics (good or bad) and less suppression of some class of people. Some day it will be nice when a Caucasian can dress up like MLK for school because he admires him, without being called a racist (which actually occurred recently). It will be nice when the N-word is universally frowned upon. I grew up in Detroit. Racism existed in the city and in the suburbs. Some people praised the first black mayor of Detroit – Colman Young. Others blame him for scaring off investors in the city. The reality is that the murder rate sky rocketed to 1000 murders per year. Devil's Night resulted in thousand of houses being burned. Stores closed and industries left the city. Any Coleman Young blamed the white suburbs. Today, another black mayor is trying to right the past wrongs. Dave Bing took his money he made playing for the Detroit Pistons and made more money running a minority-owned Steel Company. He focuses on fixing things rather than blaming someone else. Lessons some of the people who posted here can learn from. Racism and sexism can't end until all people can just think and act intelligently.
McCain has become the Trump / Clown of the Senate. He should have retired long ago when people like myself thought highly of him. Now he is exposed for what he is a Phony.
I disaggre with Clyburn
You LEFTIE Democrats are the biggest Hypocrites on the planet ... how come when you call Sarah Palin stupid or a cunt or attack Condoleezza Rice its just political criticism but if we question someone on the Democrat side WHOA ... stop the presses! Get Al Sharpton on the line! We couldn't possible be upset because she bald faced lied to the country in an attempt to help cover up the facts about the DEATH of an ambassador? No, its gotta be because she has more pigment in her skin, or pees sitting down? You people are racist morons, because only true racists would see a racist motive in every little thing. Until you stop blaming everything on race, sex or religion, we will never have true dialogue in this country.
This is why Racism will always exist. The minute any criticism of a black person is mentioned, the race card is automatically thrown. It never seems to matter that there might be legitimate critiicsm worthy of debate. The race card is dealt to stifle all criticism. This reflexive behavior will always encourage bigots of all colors. I bet if we research out Mr. Clyburn's past comments we'd find some event where he called a white person "incompetent".
Wow. Lazy, incompetent blacks? Where have we heard that one before? On a Deep South pre-Civil War cotton plantation, maybe?
And don't tell me Sarah Palin would make a very competent VP. She didn't last a full term as govenor of Alaska!
This has to be the most ridiculous argument. To call someone of any color or persuasion incompetent is just a judgement you are rendering on what they are doing. Anyone can be incompetent. This is not a code word in any sense of the imagination. Rep. Clyburn is very one sided in his description of the facts at hand.
If you criticize a black female you are both racist and anti-woman. That's the mantra of the self described progressives. I believe, based upon available information, what she said was not true. A person in her position should not have been a good soldier and touted the company line when everyone in America knew she was lying to us. He false words have come home to roost, and because we know she lied and are calling her on it, we are racist. If one does not follow the Democratic Party line they, according to the President, are "not doing what is right" and if they are against raising taxes they are not "patriotic". It is getting difficult to tell if I am in Venezuela or the US.
It is about time to that both sides quit this childish behavior and realize that bigger issues are at play. Monday morning quarterbacking is not helpful and most of commentators on this column need to leave their emotions out of their comments.
Wow, people are actually serious about this? What about the gender card – don't forget the gender card.
Never criticize a black person. Because a black person is apparently ALL BLACK PEOPLE and any criticism is RACISM. A black person doesn't get to be an individual human being, according to democrats.
Its about time someone called McCain out on his nonsense. The man is hundreds of years old, he's a bigot and he's quie a hateful individual. You lost in 2008-get over it!
McCain wholeheartedly and with great enthusiasm supported George Bush in his MANY foreign policy faux pas–the greatest of which was the Iraq invasion debacle. Now he thinks the country is listening to him?
I hope Dems and realistic Republicans in Arizona vote this useless old fool out of office in a few years. He makes America look bad.
I find the position of sen. Lindsay Graham, Sen. John McCain and others in their boat shameful, appalling and desperate. There is no credibility to their arguement! Sen. Clyburn and Marcia Fudge have called out the code words and actions for what they are – distasteful and demonstrated with the intent to dilute the credibility of Susan Rice and other minorities in positions of high rank. If the GOP spent half of this energy to work with the president and others to improve the economy, America would be at a more advanced state than it is today. I implore all politicians and public officials to lay down your arms, stop trying to score political points and get to work for America in the spirit of COMPROMISE! We need a United States of America!
On another note, these petitions submitted after the election results – advocating secession from the union – are outrageous!!! 11,000 plus signatures from SC alone... Crazy! What are my fellow citizens and countrymen thinking ?!? People with this thinking need to do us all a favor and move overseas!
In the case of Susan Rice Mr. Mccain is right , Rice is dangerously incompetent. She has done so many serious mistakes in sensitive issues in Africa, her personalty is not good for negotiations, nobody should play race card here.
Rep. Clyburn: Here we go again! Don't the abusive/lying Democrats ever get tired and ashamed of using the divisive race card?! Can't American voters (both Democrats and Republicans) see through the Democrat's charade.
I guess, shamelessly, NO!!!
As a white man growing up in the South (Mississippi Delta), I understand exactly what Rep. Clyburn is getting at and I completely agree with his assessment... they are not fooling anyone.
How insulting for Dr Rice to have you consider her skin color an issue with Senator McCain. The idea for you to believe these so call “code words” are relevant in this discussion just perpetuates racism. I believe if being critical of anyone can lead to name calling and being labeled a racist will detract from having a meaningful exchange of ideas and opinions.
Senator McCain has issue with the way she handled the Sunday morning talk shows discussing the Benghazi attack. I believe he has a validate point when it comes to Ms Rice’s depth of knowledge of the situation even President Obama said so during his press conference. I believe she was incompetent in the manner she handle the press. That opinion does not make me a racist. My opinion is not based on her impressive educational background and resume. Just because of her credentials does not automatically make her competent to do everything. I believe that Senator McCain showed his incompetency to be President of the United States, but that does not mean he is not competent to hold other positions.
It does not take much critical thinking skill to label someone. It does talk a lot of critical thinking skill to have an intellectual discussion about the issue.
The US is desperate for leaders. I encourage you to have your discussion with Senator McCain and discuss his concerns about Dr Rice’s competency to be Secretary of State and leave out the name calling and racist labels without supporting facts.
We The People, who may remind you of the song,"We Are Family"and all in this world together will find out the truth and do the "Gitchi,Gitchi,Ya,Ya." In the end,"When You've Been Blessed," to Susan Rice by Patti LaBelle but no ,just not seeing Susan Rice for Secretary of State and especially after the misleading shoo be do and when do we "exhale". Get your facts straight before you mislead American citizens on national security."Chic Le Freak !" Hey sister, go sister, flow sister,with the facts and truth and if not stick a sock in it.Chic Le Freak......National Security confusion ! Excuse me,let's argue about the talking points when there is a US terrorist attack. Not ! Let's have Susan come out without the truth and facts and then blame who ?What do we do then Americans, It's been eight hours, can ya'll send the jets please...? Do you think American citizens are in the mood for misrepresentation when it comes to their national security or appreciate the confusion Susan Rice caused and now she's being viewed for Secretary of State. No and God Bless America ! As the investigation unfolds I think they used Susan Rice like a pone in a chess game.Get your knight up two, over one ion it with the facts and nobody gives a jam about race,nationality,gender or your political party when it comes to national security and safety.Just the mention of that and making an inference is uncalled for and it relates to national security for American citizens and how the Obama administration handled it as well 4 American citizens deceased. Where was Obama ? He's out on the campaign trail running for President in politics.A video caused the problems ? Really ? For seven hours and they were sent no help ? There was no request from the State Department for added security ? I don't believe that and where was the support to begin with and who denied that support ? Is Susan Rice a distraction to some degree to get to the bottom line of who,what,when,where and why ? Keep your eye on the ball and not on the race card ,gender or political deck when it comes to national security.As you slide down the banister of life keep your eye upon the doughnut and not upon the hole.Susan Rice was misleading and needed to make sure she had the facts prior to heading for the news and Obama get your national security team straight ! Who is in charge of the CIA ?
When did "incompetent" become a racially insensitive word? 94% of African Americans voted for President Obama. Fifty three voting districts in Philadelphia (more than 19,000 mostly African American voters), went 100% for the President. You think we have racism in our society? People like Representative Clyburn only fuel the fire by manufacturing controversy over their distorted interpretation of racism. He disgusts me.
Is there any doubt as to why Susan Rice is being attacked? I really think that some people think there are too many Blacks in lead position in this country. Atack one on Obama, Attack two on Holder Three on Rice. All three are qualified in their positions but without thinking some find Blacks an easy target to get points on.
It seems that without thinking you believe there never is a legitimate criticism. I wonder if you speak up for Condolezza Rice, Clarence Thomas, or Thomas Sowell?
I find it downright laughable that whenever a Dmocrat is attacked its racism/sexism etc but if a Republican is attacked its fine. Do you people hear yourselves? Condoleezza Rice was attacked far worse then anything said about this woman who bald faced LIED to the country but its ok because Condi worked for Bush right? Sarah Palin was called a 'cunt' by Bill Maher and no one on the LEFT says anything ... you people are the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet!
Interesting line of questioning just heard and please don't insult further the American citizens saying because Susan Rice is black and a woman infers the reason the Republicans are going after Susan Rice in an effort to eliminate her as Secretary of State.That's absurd and we have 4 Americans dead in a terrorist attack.Why is Susan Rice going on the news stations and telling Americans that it's about some video ? Who handed her the talking points from Intelligence and show the documents to the American people. Why isn't Susan Rice asking more questions prior to her misleading talking points ? Seems very puppet and no truth to power of which questions her judgement and voice for America in there and could careless what political party ,nationality,gender or what race she is. Why is she sent to report the lie she did ? Get your facts straight before you report to the American people. Why not have said, at this point the acts of terror are being investigated. Here is what we think happened and this is the report I have from----in the White House. This report came from ------on the Intelligence team.To late to rescue and further cover up the facts and truth on how this was handled and Susan Rice clearly mislead the American people without facts and accuracy. Why ? We don't need that happening under a US terrorist attack for national security.I think our National Security Intelligence was reporting and clearly with factual accuracy to the situation room in the White House.Why then were the people lied to Obama ?
I'm sooooooooooo tired of Cyburn playing the same race card every time someone has anything negative to say about a black person. Move on Cyburn, move on.
We shall continue to rise far and beyond the fray . . . The flood gates are open and here come the mighty waters of hope and change. Washing away the years of the filth of bigotry perpetrated by old antiquated scared white men, who now walk amongst the living dead. The republican leadership are like dying vampires hiding in the shade and President Obama and the like, are the day walkers, yeah, like that dude Blade . . . here come the righteous shower because they all are getting sprayed.
So, let me get this straight... let's say Rice really did mess up. Let's just say this for the sake of conversation. It would still be racist to call her incompetent, right?
What an insult to Dr Rice. I believe she can handle the criticism without you introducing her race into the discussion without any supporting facts. This ruse of saying Senator McCain is using code words is unbecoming an US representative. I expect a higher standard from our elected officials. Her resume is more important than her skin color.
It does not take much critical thinking skill to label someone. It does take a lot of critical thinking skill to have an intellectual discussion about the merits of an issue.
We desperately need leaders in this country. Take Senator McCain on the merits of Dr Rice qualifications for the job of Secretary of State and leave her skin color out of the discussion.
I respect Congressman Clayburn and take him at his word on his experience with "code" words and his recognition of racially tainted actions. That said, and without any real knowledge on McCain's inner thinking, I must say that McCain's attacks on Rice are suspect at best. They make no sense. And like a poster stated earlier, claiming Palin competent to serve as Vice President provides McCain no credence to judge Rice's "competence". Is this just a way to get back at Obama? Is this just a leftover election swift-boat tactic? Or is this pure racism? I trust Clayburn's judgment.
Once again the GOP has committed two offenses against the American people. First, they jumped the gun to politicize a tragic international event. Second, it was against a Democratic public official who is a minority. Now that it has been PROVEN and AGREED to by the DNI, CIA, and FBI that the original, official version of events did not yet justify calling the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism, that any reference to it, at that point, of being an act of terrorism should be deleted from the public discourse at that time, and that an investigation was underway, and that Ambassador Rice was discussing what the CIA and FBI were telling her, (a prudent and correct statement based on the facts that were KNOWN at the time), Senator McCain, Senator Graham and the other shoot from the hip "leaders" owe a sincere apology to the Ambassador, and especially to the American people. Their kind of bellicose behavior is exactly what gets us into stupid, incorrect wars. McCain, Graham, you have done a terrible disservice to your country. One way to atone is to support the nomination of Ambassador Rice for Secretary of State, should the President so choose to nominate her. Shame on you for politicizing a tragedy, just like Romney did during the later days of the campaign. That's putting yourselves ahead of our country.
He's right on the money! The decendants of slave owners blood runs deep with hate! These are feeble guys, not by all means men! There's a name for a guy like them who belittle a woman, that name is - Coward!
Itsa real stretch of the English language to say that what mr. McCain said is in anyway racist. Does Mr. Clyburn have a list of words he wants banned and a list of code words that should be banned. I am white. I was never raised to say recist words, pharases or be a racist or descriminate against anyone.......but thats probably racist speek and thinking. I was raised in Eastern Montana and there was only one black or African American family in town, the rest of the African American families and airmen lived on the base. I played with the kids from that family in town in sports and in the summer at the pool. I went to their house, they came to my house. I never ever heard anyone say a discoraging word about them or me playing with them. Are there racists in America? Sure. Are there racists all ove the world. Sure. The whole world is strife with racism no matter where you go. Do I know what African American people lived through all their lives in the south? No. I only know what I read. I only know what kids I went to college with told me. I can tell you I was shocked in college when I hear two young African American men from Tacoma use the "N" word when talking about each other and friends. My mother would have slapped my mouth and ears bloody had I used that word anywhere or in any context at all. I heard today that the name of Chicago is racist. Really? Its the name of a city. Just bacuase Afircan American people live there and someone names the city its racist? Man, we better start changing the name of cities too. What shall we call them? How shall we name them...or do we need to name them? How about just a number....opps, we better not use numbers either, Lord knows numbers are used for all kinds of things and have in history been used for all kinds of identifications on cars, model numbers, prisoners, space missions, teaching mathamatics ect. Can say prisoners because we all know the majority of prisoners are African America. Its all a way to try and control speech and thought by those in "power". Hell, the 4 men KILLED/MURDERED in Benghazi were white. Does Mr. Clyburn give a dams about them? He can't ask about them because his constituents will call him a racist ro helping to getthe 2 1/2 month odl questions that WE THE PEOPLE don't still have. Heaven forbid we would ask our President what happened because that would be a racist form of questioning to even question him.Mr. Clyburn certainly has not indicated so from what I have seen. Its all about racist comments and the alleged war on women as a cover which is really a war on contraceptive services ......and the definition there of which an abortion has nothing to do with. Look up the word contraceptive, please. I remember my grandmother telling me, remember, son, contraception stops at conception. The end. Mr. Clyburn needs to wake up. Just works is what President Obama called them. But thats probably a racist statement by me becase I did not use his God given birth name or some balohewey. What a bunch of crap coming everyday out of the mouths of our elected officials in Washington . D.C. oops, our nations Capitol, I mean, because well all know what Washington D. C stands for, right? When you have an 8% satisfation rating by the American public........its got nothing to do with RACE!
Why is it that every time someone has a criticism of a black, hispanic, asian or other "protected" minority it is considered racism? Rice is a PHUCKINGidiot. A lap dog without a single cogent thought of her own. A mouthpiece without conscience. It may work well at the U.N., but it won't do for the Secretary of State. I may despise Clinton for her ideology, but she has done well in her position. Rice would be an unmitigated disaster. That ain't racism boys and girls – that's a fact.
Good heavens, people, get over yourselves. I have hired, supervised, worked with, and worked for lots of people in my career, white, black, Asian, Hispanic, male, female, straight, gay, married, divorced, and I can tell you there are lazy and incompetent people in all demographic groups. No one is throwing around racial insults, coded or otherwise, regarding Ms. Rice. To believe this is so, you have to believe anyone calling any black person incompetent is being racist, while calling any white person incompetent is okay. Incompetent – like brilliant, stupid, talented, tall, funny, boring, bald – is not a racist word. Yes, some words, like 'uppity,' have definite negative racial implications. But imcompetent just means incompetent. Clyburn and other black leaders need to stop making excuses, stop insulting people of their own racial heritage, stop the race-baiting, stand up and be proud.
Please, please don't hate on Senator McCain who is suffering from the 'ole white male' disease known as racism. He is mad, he is old, and he will never be president. He may be entering early stages of senility. We need to keep him in our prayers. President Obama will surely nominate Susan Rice now.
are they thinking she's a bankster plant because she's a rhodes scholar? is "video" code for "secret prisons"?
what if someone is incompetent or percieved as incompetent, can we say it? so if their black we can't say it but if they're white we can? what about the black people that have alleged incompetence? can a black person call another black incompetent? what about a black person alleging a white person is incompetent? I've seen that happen a few times. what if the incompetent person is mixed race and half black and half white? then any accuser white or black would be a racist. can they also call anyone incompetent and furthermore would it be unacceptable for anyone either white or black to suggest they might be incompetent? huh? are you kidding?
I'm confused. Why does race have anything to do with it?
My God people, the world has become a very complicated place hasn't it.
So I guess the word "incompetent" needs to be added to the racial dictionary of words that whites can't call blacks. I don't know why people like the congressman, and a couple of responders here, are so quick to play the race card over such trivial things. Was calling Rice incompetent harsh? Sure it was. Now I can't speak for those who feel that she is incompetent, but I assume that those who said this of her were basing it on her handling of the Bengazi attack, not because she's a woman, and surly not because she is black. Just because somebody criticizes an African American does not mean that person is racist. That is a serious accusation. Please understand that playing the black card is NOT empowering, and certainly not how the black community has made such strides in the past century. Be stronger than that.
The criticism leveled against Amb Rice has more to do with her allegiance to a sell-out President, than with her impressive set of accomplishments. She is in fact incompetent because of her willingness to protect a man who left Americans exposed in an impossible situation created by the policies of President Obama. Four Americans are dead. We could have and should have given them support they deserved in doing the work of America.
Somebody is now holding a candle to Susan Rice and her hair is on fire.
Happy Thanksgiving. There's 4 empty seats somewhere in America that won't ever be filled again simply because "we" as a Country didn't do what we were suppose to do!
I have a message for Congressman Clyburn...African-Americans have been held in bondage for four hundred years in this country, we been segregated and rendered second class citizens, been beaten, hosed, biten by police dogs, been lynched, imprisoned for no justifiable reasons, been call all sorts of derogatory and hateful names for four hundred years and yet, we have emerged victoriously to become doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, professors, scientists, inventors, astronauts, mayors, and governors. O' and yes, First Lady and President of the United Staes of America. O' make that TWICE. YES WE CAN! Hey, sticks and stones might break our bones but words won't. I say let the envy jealous bigoted racist right wing extremists waste their time calling us names The reality is that they can't keep us down. Just ask our GOOLDEN GIRL GABBY! YES WE CAN!
The guy who made the video was an African-American, too. He was the most competent of all.
Mr. Clyburn, As another person of color growing up in the south. I very much agree with you. Senator McCain has lost his senses and allowed his dark side to come through. The GOP can not get a grip on a Black Man being the most powerful man in the world. McCain has lost twice and now he is losing his mind. THe GOP will never get it no matter how hard they try to convince minorities they are for them also. Using Rubio with the rap message. Mr. Rubio, as a Black I don't like rap nor do many other Blacks I know. Just as I am sure many whites don't like country music.
Well said, Mr Congressman.
More fake indignation from the left; criticize any person of color the racist charge will follow; criticize a woman, the sexist charge will follow. Condi Rice did just fine, but when people on the left criticized her, the Republicans didn't rush out to level the charge of racism. Please stop it. Ambassador Rice misled the American people. Did she know the truth about the attacks when she went out there? Maybe, maybe not. The president said he sent her out; he certainly knew the truth. After all he claimed in the 2nd debate that he had called the attack terrorism the day after it happened. So why did he send Rice out to say something different a week later? That is my question, coming from an independent.
Congressman Clyborn was RIGHT on the money[old school] on POINT[new school] ; call it what is is: RACISM!! When will the Right-Wing Nuts get it, or do they continue on the path towards losing creditability with the American Voters? But what do I known ... I'm just a VOTER!
It is so obvious to me that this is a political witch hunt by people like mccain a man who has no credibility after selecting sarah palin as his vice presidential nominee, he is using racist spiel to pick on miss rice because he sees her as the weakest link in a administration he is bitter about because of his 2008 shellacking, old white men going after someone because she is a woman and black a double whammy in their twisted evil minds.
She's just obama's scapegoat!!!
It is sad to see the race card come out when they don't have an adequate answer. Obama hid behind Rice's skirts on this one and they all contributed to the blunder. Why not just say "we did not handle this one as well as we could have"? Now rather than accept the outcome or give us the truth they play the card.
As for the voters – those who support this administration will either be congratulated for their vision and judgement or need to accept accountability for the worst team in my lifetime. Somehow I don't see these voters accepting the responsibility any more than this admin.
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