Today marks the first day of Pope Francis’s papacy. A man of many firsts, including the first to take the name Francis and the first Latin American pope, Jorge Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, is expected by many to revitalize the church.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York, was in the conclave of cardinals which elected Pope Francis. He speaks to Chris Cuomo live from Rome on "Starting Point" to talk about his expectation for the future of the church with Pope Francis at its helm.
Cardinal Dolan calls the Catholic Church a blend of the "ancient" and the "new", and he believes Pope Francis's track record shows he'll lead it well.
"I think he's going to tend the Roman curia," which Cardinal Dolan says needs tending to like any government. Cardinal Dolan says he doesn't expect Pope Francis to move the church on its views on gay marriage or celibacy as dictated by what's called the Deposit of Faith, but present it more compellingly to the next generation.
"He can't change any of the substance, the givens,” Cardinal Dolan says, “but, boy, can he ever change the way that's presented.”
Cardinal Dolan also explains what it's like to partake in conclave, the best known secret process in the world. "First of all, it's not all fun and games," he says. "It's very intense and it's very emotionally draining, because you think about it night and day. I mean, this would be one of the most important things I ever have to do."
While many have described conclave in a political sense, Cardinal Dolan says it's more like a silent retreat. "It’s not a caucus. It’s not a convention. It’s almost like a liturgy, an occasion of prayer."
Even though it can be tough at times, I'm proud to be a Roman Catholic. I'm glad the church stands firm on moral beliefs. The priests that abused the young innocent children are going to get theirs much worse when they die than anything we can do to them on earth. I don't trip with how the church handled things because even though they were wrong, God takes care of bad things to come out. Unfortunately, those bad priests give other great priests a bad wrap; priests who have helped and cared for others, so when I see/hear people generalizing that "all" priests are child molesters, I have to keep my patience and know they are ignorant people who don't rationalize. No one is saying it wasn't horrible for the victims, but to say they all do it, is stupid. And have priests marry? Why? Over 60% of child molestation cases are from married men....so give me a break, again, a bunch of ignorant people who don't know. Women priests? Good heavens....if Jesus wanted to make ANYONE a priest, it would have been His mother, and He didn't for a reason. All in all, if one does not like the rules of the Catholic Church, change religions. Why all the bad talk and criticism? Just change religions to something that is convenient for you and stop your trash talk....or better, take the time to learn about your faith as I bet you'd think differently.
Have a great day all!!
I like how the media keeps asking when the church is going to change its views on celibacy, contraception, marriage. These are core beliefs of the faith. They make it sound like these beliefs are based on some old boys club. It's ridiculous to think that we're going to change the body of knowledge the church has come to know just because our culture or technology has changed in the last few decades. There's a reason that the church has been around for more than 2000 years.
The pope cannot change the substance of church;s ideology, but Dolan hopes he will package the same dogma's in an attractive package for people to accept. What kind of dumb logic is that ? If they will not change their belief's on topics like discrimination against Gay people, soul harvesting in developing countries,or disallowing use of contraception in poor countries afflicted with AIDS, what is it they are really changing ? I don't see how catholic church can be a combination of ancient and new if their belief system is stll from the middle ages. The catholic church will continue to be ANCIENT till they change these core belief's & discriminatory policies that are against humanity and social justice.
It's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it.
yup – prayer, breakfast, vote, prayer, lunch, vote, prayer, dinner, prayer, bed.......I am drained just thinking about it
"Cos we're painting the roses red, we're painting the roses red."
I like Timothy Dolan....
But I know there are issues on his end that would prevent him from ever being Pope. Not the fact he's a shoot from the hip kind of Cardinal...but some of the scandals going on now revolve around him as well.
But other than that...he doesn't pull any punches on what he thinks.
does any one really cares who is the head of the "little boys abuse club"
if he thinks he's 'emotionally drained' now, wait until he gets back Stateside and the real shit starts hitting the fan! He ain't seen nothing yet...
Presentation of something that has inherent issues is tantamount to having different used car sales men try to convince you to buy a vehicle you're not sure will serve it's purpose or give you the confidence and direction needed. Sure, all traditions and decrees can't be tossed out at once, but with no indication of adaptation, the future of such an organization is starting to resemble that of Yahoo!
Cardinal Dolan is just parroting the "party line" and stating that the Church needs to try to make it sound more palatable.
A "self-promoting putz", indeed. There is so much drama from this bishop. He should consider being on Ru Paul's Drag Race. Catholics are concerned about substance not "presentation". Pomp and "presentation" is what got us in this mess. My local priest is all about pomp and presentation and it is embarrassing. You would think he was playing Cleopatra on her throne. On another topic: why is it that all these drama priests and bishops have hips twice as wide as their shoulders. These "butterballs" must think it is thanksgiving year round.
Everyone knows Timmy Dolan is a happy idiot. It's one of the requirements of his job. Let's move on to the important news now.
So, what's up with Kim Kardashian and that nice young black fellow – what's-his-name – today?
And, what's up with Apple Computers? A new iPhone release? Awesome!
emotionally drained from praying at the conclave ? – Hmmm thank god Dolan is not Pope
'"He can't change any of the substance, the givens,” Cardinal Dolan says, “but, boy, can he ever change the way that's presented.”'
Fantastic. When your ideas are some garbage, don't change your mind! Just present your garbage in a different manner!
Let's all look forward to a Catholic church filled with shiny new homophobia, sexism, superstition, and sex scandals!
Emotionally drained? Just think what the children that were sexually abused by the many priests all over the globe feel and that this horror still hasn't been addressed and moving priests around the world until they die off isn't the answer.
While I am proud a Pope was chosen from somewhere in the Americas, The USA should still feel offended that am American pope was not chosen. They've had 5 opportunities to select an American just in my lifetime. After all the sex abuse scandals in the American catholic church, along with the massive decline in American church attendance, The Vatican should have taken this opportunity to select a Pope from it's most sensitive area of population that needs attanetion (and most wealthy area of revenue base) ...after all, the church is a property holding business and tax-free revenue generating machine wrapped up in the costume of a religion. So why no select a pope from where the money is ?
How about if the Roman Catholic Church proceeds to deal honestly and openly with the grab-ass priest issue, ditches the mindless celibacy rule, and allows women FULL and EQUAL participation in the Church?
Wish it could have been him. But, listening to Pp. Francis' homily this morning at least gives me a good reason for optimism.
Welcome Sinners. Without that door mat, the Catholic Church would be empty. I'm welcomed by the Catholic Church, and by the Grace of God, sin less today than I did yesterday. Before I attended Church, I was so blind, that I didn't even know or think I was a sinner. A humble and contrite heart is better than all the worldly treasures which are temporary.
A sinner saved by the Grace of Jesus thru the Catholic Church
Hmm. Sounds like the Republican Party.
in spite of the vast good the roman catholic religion does in the world, it remains divisive, shrouded, and sexist in nature. as a believer in science, its tough to consider religion anything more than institutionalized superstition.
It seems that the people making responses on soundoff miss the whole idea. Not surprising. Most people think highly of their own intellect and totally into their self. Missed the comment about the moving of the Holy Spirit? You see only what you want to see and there's nothing in the world that anyone could say that could make you change your self important minds. Try some humility for a change.
"He can't change any of the substance, the givens, but, boy, can he ever change the way that's presented.”
Forgive me if I don't find this the most encouraging of statements.
Now, I'm not expecting the pope to do a complete 180 on things like gay marriage or contraception. It'd be crazy to think any of the voting cardinals would hold positions like that, let alone get elected pope while holding them. I just hope that he can do something about the current state of corruption in the church. If we see him take a hard line against those involved in the many, many sex abuse cover ups and carry through on his advocacy for the poor, I'd be more than a fan of the man. Right now the preferential treatment for the wolves in cassocks at the expense of flock, especially at a time when so many people are in need of aid, is the biggest albatross the church is dragging around.
"Self-promoting putz" is right. He belongs on Ru Paul's Drag Race. So much drama, so lttle time to tell everyone. Have you ever noticed that these loud mouth priests and bishops have hips that are twice as wide as their shoulders. I guess it must be thanksgiving all year for these "butterballs".
Kardinal Dolan has it all wrong. It is not the "presentation" that is wrong, it is the fundamental principles and content.
It is exactly like the poor old GOP. The real world is 30 years ahead of them.
Not that Dolan is not a great salesman. He could sell anything, if you gave him the right product.
Unfortunately the Catholic Chruch, along with most religions, do more to retard the growth of humankind than to promote it. While the new Pope seems to be a devote man he is still clinging to outmoded concepts of human behavior, like banning birthcontrol in an out of control population growth, banning condoms which helps spread aids, condemns homosexual behaviour, keeps women subservient to man and disallows them to be priests, and so on.
Such cruelty from commenters here and around the web. Are you actually unable or unwilling to be happy for Catholics as they look to a hopeful future with a new Pope. Jesus truly does care about both his Church and every single human being on the earth - regardless of your belief or non-belief. Is that so hard to accept – or, at the very least, allow others to believe? ... Without all the sarcasm and hate.
Same old talk....do we really think this 76yr old man is going to steer the Catholic church in a new positive direction. Hell NO. They have been out of touch for years....and will be out of touch for many more years. Timothy Dolan....what a joke. Emotionally drained.
"It's very intense and it's very emotionally draining, because you think about it night and day. I mean, this would be one of the most important things I ever have to do."
Says the man who gave child molester priests in his diocese up to $20,000 to retire quietly rather than firing them and calling the police, and then had the audacity to attempt to interfere in a democratic Presidential election, after electing the voice of Jesus Christ on earth. Why is the Roman Catholic Church losing members in droves, again?
Man, I would have killed for them to come out go "LIVE FROM NEW YORK"....your new Pope....have you heard this guy laugh....talk about putting Rome on it's ear
Ok, enough – the Italians got their new king, and let the native folks enjoy their papel rituals.
Most of the world has important things to consider ... so let's get the men in dresses out of the news so they can start to clean up their child molesting rapist culture.
I'm so happy for the Catholic church! Hopefully they will regain some of the people that drifted away from religion...
There are too many people (mostly, the people commenting here on CNN), that think they have it all figured out in life... that science can explain everything.... it clearly can't, or maybe it can explain what your narrow understanding of everything is. I don't want to discuss this point in detail again... tired of arguing with atheists...
But basically religion is necessary. Just like a school provides an environment for children to learn all the basics, and parents encourage them to attend, religion/church provides an environment where all people can learn everything else about "life", purpose, ethics....and parents should also attend and encourage their children to do the same.
Defending rapists is hard work
emotionally drained clearly has no empathy or clue for what Christ suffered! unbelievable!
i would be too if i was protecting pedophiles. and how the hell does he know that "every" catholic is happy now? does a 76 year old who turned the usual red hat blind eye when confronting entrenched abuse (e.g., in Argentina) make us happy?
“but, boy, can he ever change the way that's presented.” Like any industry, it's all about marketing.
How draining can it be since they are inspired by God as to their choice of Pope .. and why (if it's inspired by God) does it take multiple votes?
Easy you God hating heathens. If you don't believe move on and don't comment.
"He can't change any of the substance, the givens,” Cardinal Dolan says, “but, boy, can he ever change the way that's presented.” Bigotry is still bigotry no matter how it"s presented. I'm sorry but in this day & age..another old white man pontificating intolerance just doesn't fly anymore.
Emotionally drained from fighting your basic moral instinct to NOT cover up child molestation.
Things that cannot change? What ever happened to: Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
I guess picking the next Protector of PEdophiles was hard on these guys...........
Wasn't Cardinal Timothy Dolan the one who made that comment a few days about, about the sex abuse problems of the Church, were the least important topic of discussion at the Conclave? IMHO, it should have been one of the most important issues under discussion. The Conclave's downplay of it, just emphasizes the cover-up.
How about some more mysticism and ritual...black smoke white smoke red hats ruby slippers...yes, the vow of poverty and chastity... ahhh the hypocrisy of these MEN is overwhelming....most of them couldn't coach a little league baseball team- ooops, keep 'em away from the children.....
He hopes to change the presentation? As a man who went to Catholic schools I have a little insight, although not as much as many. More than the coat of paint needs to be put upon the structure of the Church. It's begun to rot from the support beams. Just changing the presentation addresses nothing. It's just window dressing on a building that has begun to collapse in on itself.
Emotionally drained? Really ? Or maybe just pissed off that he didn't get fitted for the red slippers.... you want to change the church? allow women into the process....get rid of the sexual predators that roam your global hallways....sell some artwork and REALLY feed the poor....
He's going to have to do more than change the "presentation" of the church. He's going to have to dig out the rot and air it out in public so everyone knows this time things are going to change. Anything short of that is same-old same-old secretive church that has systematically protected perverts to the detriment of its children and its faithful. We'll see if this guy is actually going to do something other than just talk and pray.
Thanks to Dolan,, the child abuse cover ups continue in New York State. He lobbies to stop laws that would expose the truth.
I'm so glad that the Conclave made this vote based off emotion, and thus this cardinal is emotionally drained (not spiritually enlightened). Shows you how the farce of Catholicism really operates–like a business.
I've been on week-long silent retreats...and yes, one is emotionally and spiritually drained if one fully and wholeheartedly undertakes the retreat. At the end one is tired, but hopefully serene and feeling closer to God. I can imagine that the Cardinals are even more so, since the election of a Pope is so important.
Just because somebody is "emotionally drained" doesn't mean his reasons for making the decision were based in emotion.
Sometimes deliberating about what to do can be very tiring, especially if its a tough decision. After all, we're not supercomputers.
I'm sure "Francis" can get the poor cardinal a little boy to help recharge his batteries.
Just like it all has to be behind closed doors so we won't know it's not a divine event, just a bunch of old white men playing politics with each other.
Right. And it's good to know that it will be the same old s%#$, but with a better "presentation." Whatever that means in practice, sounds like we can expect a Catholic Church that is just as irrelevant and reactionary on the issues of the era as it has ever been. Happily, I believe I can have both my faith and a brain.
Wow Jon, thank you for that brilliant post. You're contributions to the web community are immeasurable.
So, emotions = business = farce? I am sure you are the owner of a multi-billion Dollar business then, to enlighten us with your equation for business.
Wow. Such anger and cynicism. He did say "It’s almost like a liturgy, an occasion of prayer."
It seems to me that he could have said anything, and you would have lashed out.
I hope you find healing soon.
I'm so glad you've taken the time to show that the sign of contradiction in the Church is alive and well. Help's me know that Catholicism is on th right path.
Lol neoritter – was opposition to the Nazi Regime sign that it was on the right path too? Lolz.
neoritter, you're right about the sign of contradiction...the "NewChurch" leaders have been contradicting Christ since the second vatican council. On the right path, it is not.
The right path? You think 1000's of pedophilia cases and then the covering up of them plus the financial scandals is the right direction? Have fun when the ship finally sinks!
thats really reaching
None of what you just said even remotely made any sense.
Where is it stated or implied that they decided based on emotion? He only stated that the process is emotionally draining, which would be expected in light of the situation.
He described it as a silent retreat. It was prayerful. They pray about who God wants to be pope (like when David becomes king in the Bible). Can you really say that about when we elect a president? It's more about an agenda when we elect a president.
Also, of course it would be emotionally draining. Have you ever been so consumed in prayer that it takes a lot out of you? If we only could feel how much God loves us we could not think about anything else.
"Lighten up, Francis..."
i love that movie
"I'm emotionally drained... and a self-promoting putz!"
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You are funny. I'm the one who is usually harping on CNN to get their facts straight with regard to Catholicism. I bet they will refer to "Mass" on Good Friday yet again. (We don't celebrate Mass on Good Friday...it's just a communion service.)
Give CNN a break. It's the 'Catholic New Network', when it is not the left leaning propaganda machine, or the God hating propaganda machine. Reading these posts of malcontents in every article makes me sad for the human race. Seems CNN can't post anything without ticking someone off.
Don't be an angry little troll – CNN is far from being a Catholic supporter, it's just what makes news right now – they are still the money grubbing, news making left winged libs they have always been.
He's a lesson in buffoonery...typical "new churchman" devoid of the true faith.
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