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May 10th, 2012
01:13 PM ET
Leaving gay marriage up to God? Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship's Dr. Tony Evans reacts to President Obama's same sex marriage endorsement
Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship's Dr. Tony Evans on the rejection of President Obama's endorsement of same sex marriage and how redefining marriage could shake the foundation of family.
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There are those of you saying that Christians should not "judge" and basing your arguement on a scripture in the Bible are clearly misinformed about that scripture and ignorant of that scriptures context. We (christians) are clearly agreeing with the Word of God which is God breathed. Therefore, your arguement about "christians" not judging unfounded and rediculous. The Word of God doesn't contradict itself.
This is some of the most ignorant drivel I've ever heard, and reading through the comments makes me fear for humanity.
Infallible word of god, eh? Sweet, so that means that all you women out there who have had sex before marriage, let's line you up and stone you to death. After we're done with them, let's line up anyone who eats pork (sadly, that includes bacon), anyone who wears clothing woven with more than one type of fiber, any adulterer, anyone who has cursed their mother or father (oh yes, check out Leviticus 20:9), any man who has ever shaved his face or trimmed his sideburns, and anyone who doesn't believe what you do (yeah, that's Deuteronomy 17:2-7).
Oh, wait, that's.... everyone? Well we certainly can't kill everyone, because then we wouldn't have anyone left to kill the rest of the "sinners."
Claiming the bible is the infallible word of god and then picking and choosing what to believe in is about the most hypocritical activity you can engage in. Anyone who listens to this crap should be ashamed of themselves. How can you, with a straight face, claim to be an intelligent individual when you hate someone based solely on a 5000 year old collection of fables and parables? If you are as "Christian" as you claim to be, why don't you "love thy neighbor" as your buddy Jesus instructed you?
PS: there's no such thing as "Christian". Does a Baptist believe the same thing as a Presbyterian? A Catholic the same as a Protestant? Sure, you all believe in Jesus, but that's about where the similarities end. You also believe in the Torah (erm, "old testament", also part of the "infallible word of god") but I'm pretty sure Jews wouldn't lump you in the same category with them.
Glad to see this as the first reply. I would love to hear vocal 'theocratic' Christians try to answer your points. The explanations range from different 'dispensations'*, cultural norms* (Umm old testament bigamy anyone?), health protections (Ive heard this for the pork thing but it obviously leads the whole book of Leviticus to be explained -and I'm quite sure that many of the people demanding a Biblical view of marriage aren't ready for the government to regulate serving sizes, sugar consumption, etc. -or even food stamps and health insurance for those who can't afford food and medical care!). And if, on the basis of the Bible they want to prohibit gay marriage, they ought also to ban the majority of divorces and second marriages (some of them would be willing, I'm sure -and others might regret having put us on such a slippery slope). So why not allow that we are in a New dispensation. Or that people didn't understand homosexuality 'back then' and so god made the law to match the culture? OR -why don't these Christians just teach their kids that under God's law gays aren't really married -but we are living in a post Christian culture? Personally, I think it's either just a paranoid homophobia -or a fundamental boredom with their personal relationship with God that leads to imagine that God needs them to control how other people live. Sweep your own side of the street, people.
I agree with Pastor Evans ....the bible is absolute. And I would say that if you're a Christian and are having trouble upholding the bible as the final authority. Pray. Ask questions of the Lord and don't be afraid to ask Him the "tough" questions. Then listen because He will answer you like only He can.
I believe all of this is foolishness. Its foolishness because its either you are or you are not. Whom will you serve? Who side are you on? I do not care what title you wear. Compromise is compromise whether you are president, governor or me. Homosexuality is not of God. Dont give a sam sausage who feels what. Your feelings are not important when it comes to the word of God. I am not judging the person but i am judging the sin. You love the person but hate the sin and the spirit that operates in them. I have stopped entertaining foolishess long ago when it comes whomever that chooses not to take the word serious. There is nothing to argue about. All you can do is tell people the way and pray for them, and the rest is on them. They who are in agreement with this will be the ones who will have to give an account for it. I do not come in agreement with nothing outside of the word of God. Pray for the president. No presidential race or title is worth me or my family losing out on the promises of God. No one!
Amen, Amen!!! Well said....
He's not my pastor but I've listened to Dr. Tony Evans on the radio for 15 yrs. He is 100% right and it doesn't surprise me that his level of comprimise on this is 0! No Christian should side step God when it comes to this...
This issue proves to me that Obama is NOT a Christian, no matter what he says.
Dr. Tony Evans is right.
I agree with President Obama...gays should be able to marry. They're gonna do what they wanna do anyhow and you cannot regulate/control sin with legislation; only the blood of Jesus can do that. So, the POTUS' timely move is only about politics...I do not believe he's trying to change God's word or His will. When the gays get saved, they won't be gayfully glee and wanting to marry each other no more (hopefully). May as well allow them to get tax breaks, claim each other as dependents, take care of each other when they get sick or die, etc. They are living together and cohabiting and everything else anyway! Now, if our POTUS starts talking about changing the constitution then I will have a BIGGGG problem with that.
There are many religions in America. Why not let God sort them out, not people. Especially preachers. I believe God is love and that he loves us all. Everyone has opinions, and beliefs. Let's separate church and state. Romney believes in bigotry, or (plural marriage) which they say was discontinued in 1912. The religion started in 1860 right before the Civil War, and did not allow blacks. The religion states that he can become Jesus if he donates enough and stays in the church long enough, but no one is speaking about it. Why don't we exploit his belief system also . The Scripture also says slaves obey your master. This was exploited by some white preachers to keep black people down for 400 years. I am a Christian . God said Judge not lest ye be judged. I am in agreement with our President. I have also been happily married 48 years (to a man).
Amen! Blessing for you and our president!
President Obama is wrong on this issue. Period. The gay rights and same sex movement are a very vocal belligerent group that seeks to impose their life style on society against basic accepted human convention from the foundation of the world in every society race and creed. Man did not create the institution of marriage therefore man cannot redefine the meaning of marriage that has been established by the Creator God as imperial moral law. To draw on and ride on the co-tail of the civil rights law of America as equitable logic for same sex marriage a sacrilegious overreach. God did not destroy nations for having slave labor or for oppressing the oppressed but God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for wholesale adoption and practice of the sin of homosexuality. No government should endorse or make laws that mock God's moral laws.
Frank could not have said any better!
Frank, you are right on point!!!
Like she was saying, many things change over the years.. However, the word of God does not change. Marriage is between one man and one woman according to God's Word. Our choice is to believe the Bible or not believe the Bible is God's Holy Word. In a way I felt sorry for this interviewer – she is one of so many that are not knowledgeable at all about the Bible – and doing an interview like this is almost embarrassing for them.
Why is CNN focusing on Black Pastors, instead of a variety of Pastors? I am so sick of President Obama being handled as if he is a Black President, representing black people when we all know that is not true. I am certain there were plenty of white Pastors that were offended by his endorsement of same sex marriages, who's asking them what they will be saying to their flock this Sunday. This seems like another attempt by CNN to suggest that we are all just dumb sheep that are going to vote however our Pastors tell us too. As if the Black Race can't make an intelligent decision based on the issues at hand or the Bigger Picture. We as a people are not handled as if we based our opinions on the Facts. We are treated as if our total endorsement of President Obama is based on color. I don't agree with same sex marriages, but there are other issues on the table such as health care, jobs, social programs, tax breaks for the rich. We need a president who is concerned about all people not just a few. President Obama and his wife have done a lot of good that they have not gotten credit for, but one thing he is guilty of, trying to please to many people at the same time, and you can't be effective trying to please everyone. To avoid compremise you are going to have to tell someone no. From were I sit he is he lesser of two evils. One is too sensative to the needs of the people and one is not sensative enough. I'd rather have someone fighting for the rights of all people than to elect someone that can only relate to those in his little inner circle. Peace, Liberty and Justice for All.
Amen!
I thoroughly agree, you are on target!!!!!!!!
TE is right on the mark. It is exactly what every one will hear, from the Lords mouth one day.
I stand with Pastor Evans
Well said Tony Evans..
Mrs. O'Brien,
Your body language and facial expressions during Dr. Evans' responses this morning belied any journalistic objectivism that you may (or may not) have been trying to project. I respect your right to your opinion and appreciate a frank and open discourse on topics such as this. Unfortunately, I don't think Dr Evans' was given due respect to his opinion.
Best Regards,
Jeff LaBauve
totally agree! SO obvious!!
I am so grateful to have Dr. Tony Evans as my Pastor. His explanation and enuciattion needs no further comment. However, I will say this, I was listening to Al Sharpton this morning and despite all his comment not once did he mention what Scripture says on this matter of marraige being between one man and one woman. As Dr. Evans said the President is wrong on this issue and should reverse his position if he is seeking the support of the Christian community.
Daniel, I have attended Dr. Tony Evans in the past; and he has always "taught biblically-based truth". I was so happy and relieved to see a pastor of his biblical training to speak out on this "life-as-we-know-it, altering issue" to the masses.
What is and has been obvious to me is, that Dr. Evans "cares about what Our Creator (The God of the Bible) thinks; opposed to what man thinks. Dr. Evans clearly sees the spiritual ramifications of our President's ungodly stance.
In addition, he knows by the President embracing same-sex marriage there will be long-term distortion of the family unit, which is not what Our Creator (The God of the Bible) intended.
Unfortunately, most people rationalize, what is wrong - this situation is no different. Moreover, the Bible is the "absolute truth" by which all should adhere and submit to. It is sad and tragic, that many in our society choose to find sin and other ungodly things to bow down to their own hurt and destruction.
Lastly, the same-sex marriage issue should rise up every pastor who calls himself a Christian (regardless of race) to speak up and out. This is not only a black pastor issue, not by far, as the media seems to think.